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	<title>Comments on: Michael Vick has no friends, except for me.</title>
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		<title>by: Christopher Burch</title>
		<link>http://anarcap.unanimocracy.com/2007/08/28/michael-vick-has-no-friends-except-for-me/#comment-2438</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ok... killing dogs is bad.  Make them kill each other, for sport no less, is worse. But does the punishment fit the crime? Is the punishment &quot;just&quot;? I don't think so. People get less time for a whole variety of crimes that, in my view, are way worse than what Vick did.  The problem is that we have laws on the books that unfairly punish activities that, historically, minorities or poor people are more likely to take place in such as dogfighting or smoking pot. I'm white and I do not partake of either activity but I can see the bias.  In Macon, GA where I live I tested out my bias theory at Christmas last year - three cops had pulled a black guy over and were heckling him, or so it seemed to me. So when I went to leave the stoplight I peeled out, big time, and then kept going.  They did pull me over but despite my blatant boldness and disregard for the law I got off scott-free. No tickets, nothing... Sure I was happy to get off free but sad knowing that if I was a minority in the same situation I probably would have spent the night in jail. Vick is losing a great career and his freedom and millions of dollars over what I would call a small-potatoes matter, and that is definitely not &quot;just&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230; killing dogs is bad.  Make them kill each other, for sport no less, is worse. But does the punishment fit the crime? Is the punishment &#8220;just&#8221;? I don&#8217;t think so. People get less time for a whole variety of crimes that, in my view, are way worse than what Vick did.  The problem is that we have laws on the books that unfairly punish activities that, historically, minorities or poor people are more likely to take place in such as dogfighting or smoking pot. I&#8217;m white and I do not partake of either activity but I can see the bias.  In Macon, GA where I live I tested out my bias theory at Christmas last year - three cops had pulled a black guy over and were heckling him, or so it seemed to me. So when I went to leave the stoplight I peeled out, big time, and then kept going.  They did pull me over but despite my blatant boldness and disregard for the law I got off scott-free. No tickets, nothing&#8230; Sure I was happy to get off free but sad knowing that if I was a minority in the same situation I probably would have spent the night in jail. Vick is losing a great career and his freedom and millions of dollars over what I would call a small-potatoes matter, and that is definitely not &#8220;just&#8221;.
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		<title>by: adam.dada</title>
		<link>http://anarcap.unanimocracy.com/2007/08/28/michael-vick-has-no-friends-except-for-me/#comment-2414</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks, Jon.

When I see dog fighting in the alleys of my home town, I think about more than just the dogs -- I think about the families destroyed by the system that lets them live in absolute poverty because it is easier to get a government check -- and do whatever black market task it takes to add a few more bucks to the till.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jon.</p>
<p>When I see dog fighting in the alleys of my home town, I think about more than just the dogs &#8212; I think about the families destroyed by the system that lets them live in absolute poverty because it is easier to get a government check &#8212; and do whatever black market task it takes to add a few more bucks to the till.
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		<title>by: jpeterson</title>
		<link>http://anarcap.unanimocracy.com/2007/08/28/michael-vick-has-no-friends-except-for-me/#comment-2408</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good call, i too have cats and love animals, i could never harm an animal myself but totally stand by what you say. I never thought too much into the Vick case but im stealing your argument next time the topic comes up. Its interesting how many of the replies are about what you said for the quality of the town he's from. Thats not the point of the article just a filler, he could have been born in the richest most wholesome town in the world, been white or asian, been at any economic status. The point of the article to me was:
You cant (let the fed) pick and choose whats ok when it comes to your property and your entertainment so long as it doest hurt any other person. Plain and simple, its a rights violation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good call, i too have cats and love animals, i could never harm an animal myself but totally stand by what you say. I never thought too much into the Vick case but im stealing your argument next time the topic comes up. Its interesting how many of the replies are about what you said for the quality of the town he&#8217;s from. Thats not the point of the article just a filler, he could have been born in the richest most wholesome town in the world, been white or asian, been at any economic status. The point of the article to me was:<br />
You cant (let the fed) pick and choose whats ok when it comes to your property and your entertainment so long as it doest hurt any other person. Plain and simple, its a rights violation.
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		<title>by: jdavidb</title>
		<link>http://anarcap.unanimocracy.com/2007/08/28/michael-vick-has-no-friends-except-for-me/#comment-2303</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;if laws were broken ... then Mr. Vick, and anyone who worked with him, should be punished accordingly.&lt;/i&gt;

Not so, since some laws were unjust.  I used to believe this, because I believed in what I called &quot;the rule of law,&quot; meaning we should enforce the laws we have even where they are flawed and instead be constantly adjusting the laws.

Now I realize that legislative law is not law at all.  It calls good things evil and evil things good.  Laws that are voted on are not worth enforcing.  The only law that should be enforced is the universal prohibition against infringing the rights to life, liberty, and property of others, and that law never changes.  According to the Bible in Romans 13, anyone who does no wrong to a neighbor has fulfilled the law, and therefore such a person should not be punished, even if others want to use the government as a bludgeon to change his behavior, using the legislature to call his harmless acts &quot;evil.&quot;

I was struck from a jury pool on Monday because of my religious convictions.  I was literally trembling with fear as I contemplated all the possibilities for me to sin against a neighbor, the accused, a man I had never met who had never done any wrong to me.  I wasn't sure I could ever judge or find anyone guilty, but I realized concretely some basic situations when I knew I could not: I could not find a man guilty to be punished unless he'd committed a real crime, harming a real victim by infringing his right to life, liberty, and/or property.  I couldn't find a man guilty if his guilt wasn't certain, and not just by some vague &quot;that's good enough&quot; state standard, because I'll give an account to God, not the state, for my actions.  And I couldn't find a man guilty if I knew he'd receive a punishment that did not fit his crime.

The state attorneys realized it was less likely that I would cooperate with them than that any of the other jurors would, and after questioning me privately, they sent me home.

&lt;i&gt;No more, no less than any other citizen.&lt;/i&gt;

I definitely agree with that, on the surface, but if some citizens are being punished unjustly, the solution is not to punish other citizens for the same offense, but to stop punishing anyone unjustly.  If it's a choice between keeping a bad (sinful) law and unevenly enforcing it, so that some people go free and others or punished, versus punishing everyone for violating the unjust law, I would prefer to let at least some people go unpunished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if laws were broken &#8230; then Mr. Vick, and anyone who worked with him, should be punished accordingly.</i></p>
<p>Not so, since some laws were unjust.  I used to believe this, because I believed in what I called &#8220;the rule of law,&#8221; meaning we should enforce the laws we have even where they are flawed and instead be constantly adjusting the laws.</p>
<p>Now I realize that legislative law is not law at all.  It calls good things evil and evil things good.  Laws that are voted on are not worth enforcing.  The only law that should be enforced is the universal prohibition against infringing the rights to life, liberty, and property of others, and that law never changes.  According to the Bible in Romans 13, anyone who does no wrong to a neighbor has fulfilled the law, and therefore such a person should not be punished, even if others want to use the government as a bludgeon to change his behavior, using the legislature to call his harmless acts &#8220;evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was struck from a jury pool on Monday because of my religious convictions.  I was literally trembling with fear as I contemplated all the possibilities for me to sin against a neighbor, the accused, a man I had never met who had never done any wrong to me.  I wasn&#8217;t sure I could ever judge or find anyone guilty, but I realized concretely some basic situations when I knew I could not: I could not find a man guilty to be punished unless he&#8217;d committed a real crime, harming a real victim by infringing his right to life, liberty, and/or property.  I couldn&#8217;t find a man guilty if his guilt wasn&#8217;t certain, and not just by some vague &#8220;that&#8217;s good enough&#8221; state standard, because I&#8217;ll give an account to God, not the state, for my actions.  And I couldn&#8217;t find a man guilty if I knew he&#8217;d receive a punishment that did not fit his crime.</p>
<p>The state attorneys realized it was less likely that I would cooperate with them than that any of the other jurors would, and after questioning me privately, they sent me home.</p>
<p><i>No more, no less than any other citizen.</i></p>
<p>I definitely agree with that, on the surface, but if some citizens are being punished unjustly, the solution is not to punish other citizens for the same offense, but to stop punishing anyone unjustly.  If it&#8217;s a choice between keeping a bad (sinful) law and unevenly enforcing it, so that some people go free and others or punished, versus punishing everyone for violating the unjust law, I would prefer to let at least some people go unpunished.
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		<title>by: John</title>
		<link>http://anarcap.unanimocracy.com/2007/08/28/michael-vick-has-no-friends-except-for-me/#comment-2147</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm sorry, I have to take issue with post.  I understand that the value for the life of dogs is purely cultural.  However, there is a major difference between being merely complicit or a consumer of food animals, hunting for food or pleasure and the charges to which Michael Vick pled guilty.  For Michael Vick, one brutal means of exterminating the dogs was simply not enough.  If he just killed all of them by shooting them, that would be one thing.  You could suggest that's just the way he had always done it and there was a cultural value to that end.  He used a variety of brutal methods, meaning he did not select a manner of killing dogs in a way consistent with his culture.  Furthermore, of none of these methods could he have believe for one second to be the least painful or most ethical.  To me, that speaks to a character of depravity and cruelty.

Also, let's clear up a mistake in your original post.  The only problem with your statement that Vick &quot;defrauded no one, and violated no contracts or agreements with anyone&quot; is that is completely incorrect.  He defrauded everyone.  He defrauded his employer, his union, his teammates, his coaches, the National Football League, and the fans of the NFL, whom, last I checked, are the ones ultimately responsible for his success when he initially flat out denied any involvement whatsoever and continued to do so until the federal government handed down their indictment.  He mentioned this lying in his apology.  Also, you may want to check yourself on the bit about contracts.  The Atlanta Falcons are seeking a refund from Vick of much of the value of his contract.  What's more, is that they are likely to get it because he almost certainly violated a stipulation in his $130 million dollar contract about conduct detrimental to the team.

Finally, I wouldn't go blaming the Federal Government too much on this one.  Even should he not spend one night in prison, he will still be out of work, out of money, and without too many doors open to him when he completes his certainly pending suspension by the NFL.  You mentioned it first, he is an entertainer.  Entertainers are only as successful as their image and with his actions, which are by his own admission are immature, he may have irreparably damaged his.  Even given his right to his livelihood, his livelihood depends on the public's perception of him.  I have more of a right to play in the NFL, because at least I never violated league policy while a player.

So, Adam, your new &quot;friend&quot; Mike?  Yeah, he's a dirtbag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I have to take issue with post.  I understand that the value for the life of dogs is purely cultural.  However, there is a major difference between being merely complicit or a consumer of food animals, hunting for food or pleasure and the charges to which Michael Vick pled guilty.  For Michael Vick, one brutal means of exterminating the dogs was simply not enough.  If he just killed all of them by shooting them, that would be one thing.  You could suggest that&#8217;s just the way he had always done it and there was a cultural value to that end.  He used a variety of brutal methods, meaning he did not select a manner of killing dogs in a way consistent with his culture.  Furthermore, of none of these methods could he have believe for one second to be the least painful or most ethical.  To me, that speaks to a character of depravity and cruelty.</p>
<p>Also, let&#8217;s clear up a mistake in your original post.  The only problem with your statement that Vick &#8220;defrauded no one, and violated no contracts or agreements with anyone&#8221; is that is completely incorrect.  He defrauded everyone.  He defrauded his employer, his union, his teammates, his coaches, the National Football League, and the fans of the NFL, whom, last I checked, are the ones ultimately responsible for his success when he initially flat out denied any involvement whatsoever and continued to do so until the federal government handed down their indictment.  He mentioned this lying in his apology.  Also, you may want to check yourself on the bit about contracts.  The Atlanta Falcons are seeking a refund from Vick of much of the value of his contract.  What&#8217;s more, is that they are likely to get it because he almost certainly violated a stipulation in his $130 million dollar contract about conduct detrimental to the team.</p>
<p>Finally, I wouldn&#8217;t go blaming the Federal Government too much on this one.  Even should he not spend one night in prison, he will still be out of work, out of money, and without too many doors open to him when he completes his certainly pending suspension by the NFL.  You mentioned it first, he is an entertainer.  Entertainers are only as successful as their image and with his actions, which are by his own admission are immature, he may have irreparably damaged his.  Even given his right to his livelihood, his livelihood depends on the public&#8217;s perception of him.  I have more of a right to play in the NFL, because at least I never violated league policy while a player.</p>
<p>So, Adam, your new &#8220;friend&#8221; Mike?  Yeah, he&#8217;s a dirtbag.
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		<title>by: Frank Tillery</title>
		<link>http://anarcap.unanimocracy.com/2007/08/28/michael-vick-has-no-friends-except-for-me/#comment-2134</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As an owner of a beautiful German Shephard and an equally spiritied Mini-Schnauzer, I was really upset initially with Mr. Vick's decisions. Then I thought that in some countries dogs are domesticated, farmed and eaten as food. Wow! Talk about terrible! Then I thought, what about the animals we in the U.S.A. domesticate, farm and eat. Who is standing up for the plight of the helpless chickens and cows...what about the pigs and turkeys? Yeah, yeah, I know what you are going to say...it was just a thought anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an owner of a beautiful German Shephard and an equally spiritied Mini-Schnauzer, I was really upset initially with Mr. Vick&#8217;s decisions. Then I thought that in some countries dogs are domesticated, farmed and eaten as food. Wow! Talk about terrible! Then I thought, what about the animals we in the U.S.A. domesticate, farm and eat. Who is standing up for the plight of the helpless chickens and cows&#8230;what about the pigs and turkeys? Yeah, yeah, I know what you are going to say&#8230;it was just a thought anyway.
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		<title>by: adam.dada</title>
		<link>http://anarcap.unanimocracy.com/2007/08/28/michael-vick-has-no-friends-except-for-me/#comment-2116</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Missy:

Thanks for your reply -- and you're right, I was wrong to make the assumption that ALL of Hampton Roads is a ghetto.  The part I saw, in East End, was definitely a ghetto, one far worse than any I've visited in Chicago, LA or Miami.  When I travel the country, I always visit the &quot;best&quot; and &quot;worst&quot; areas, and I was shocked at what I saw in Virginia.  It reminded me of the worst parts of DC, but in an area very close to amazingly fruitful and sustaining areas.  It is obvious from looking at the State spending in Virginia why these folks can't build up past the poverty level they're at. 

Again, I do apologize for lumping all of Hampton Roads into the same pool, and I will adjust my article accordingly in the next day or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missy:</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply &#8212; and you&#8217;re right, I was wrong to make the assumption that ALL of Hampton Roads is a ghetto.  The part I saw, in East End, was definitely a ghetto, one far worse than any I&#8217;ve visited in Chicago, LA or Miami.  When I travel the country, I always visit the &#8220;best&#8221; and &#8220;worst&#8221; areas, and I was shocked at what I saw in Virginia.  It reminded me of the worst parts of DC, but in an area very close to amazingly fruitful and sustaining areas.  It is obvious from looking at the State spending in Virginia why these folks can&#8217;t build up past the poverty level they&#8217;re at. </p>
<p>Again, I do apologize for lumping all of Hampton Roads into the same pool, and I will adjust my article accordingly in the next day or two.
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		<title>by: Missy Blankenship</title>
		<link>http://anarcap.unanimocracy.com/2007/08/28/michael-vick-has-no-friends-except-for-me/#comment-2115</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree that the media coverage of Mr. Vick has been obnoxious and overwhelming, to say the least.  There are many more important matters going on in the world.

I can even appreciate your comments and stance on federal law.  However if laws were broken (against dog-fighting, against gambling, against cruelty to animals, whatever), then Mr. Vick, and anyone who worked with him, should be punished accordingly. No more, no less than any other citizen.

I do take exception with your comment: &quot;Hampton Roads is a pure ghetto with subsidized housing, a lack of public protection by the police, and could be one of the worst places in the country to try to raise a family.&quot;

Perhaps certain sections of HR could be considered as such, the same as any other metropolitan area in the U.S.  However, we have found that HR for the most part is made up of intelligent, hard-working people who are proud of where they live.  We have a strong military presence here, and one of the most culturally diverse areas that I have ever had the pleasure to visit or live. We have so many cultural and arts events here...and many free and open to the public... that it forces us to decide among them. I have met many outstanding constituents of the African-American portion of our community, too, recently enjoying a wonderful evening at the Attucks Theatre in Norfolk and the 2007 Mid. Atlantic Black Film Festival.

Don't give Mr. Vick credit because you think, and I quote: &quot;he succeeded in exiting an area where infinite welfare is the most common life of the typical resident&quot;. That is simply not true and an affront to the people (including me) who live here.

Thanks for the post and your viewpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the media coverage of Mr. Vick has been obnoxious and overwhelming, to say the least.  There are many more important matters going on in the world.</p>
<p>I can even appreciate your comments and stance on federal law.  However if laws were broken (against dog-fighting, against gambling, against cruelty to animals, whatever), then Mr. Vick, and anyone who worked with him, should be punished accordingly. No more, no less than any other citizen.</p>
<p>I do take exception with your comment: &#8220;Hampton Roads is a pure ghetto with subsidized housing, a lack of public protection by the police, and could be one of the worst places in the country to try to raise a family.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps certain sections of HR could be considered as such, the same as any other metropolitan area in the U.S.  However, we have found that HR for the most part is made up of intelligent, hard-working people who are proud of where they live.  We have a strong military presence here, and one of the most culturally diverse areas that I have ever had the pleasure to visit or live. We have so many cultural and arts events here&#8230;and many free and open to the public&#8230; that it forces us to decide among them. I have met many outstanding constituents of the African-American portion of our community, too, recently enjoying a wonderful evening at the Attucks Theatre in Norfolk and the 2007 Mid. Atlantic Black Film Festival.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t give Mr. Vick credit because you think, and I quote: &#8220;he succeeded in exiting an area where infinite welfare is the most common life of the typical resident&#8221;. That is simply not true and an affront to the people (including me) who live here.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post and your viewpoint.
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		<title>by: Manuel Lora</title>
		<link>http://anarcap.unanimocracy.com/2007/08/28/michael-vick-has-no-friends-except-for-me/#comment-2112</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great post.</description>
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		<title>by: Scout</title>
		<link>http://anarcap.unanimocracy.com/2007/08/28/michael-vick-has-no-friends-except-for-me/#comment-2110</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My husband grew up down the street from Mike Vick. He hasn't throttled any animals so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband grew up down the street from Mike Vick. He hasn&#8217;t throttled any animals so far.
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